A. Miranda’s statement that women “are taught to learn their rule without, not to unfold it from within” (lines 43-44)
B. The contrast between Miranda’s upbringing and that of women “so overloaded with precepts by guardians… that their minds are impeded by doubts” (lines 50-52)
Miranda’s statement that women “are taught to learn their rule without, not to unfold it from within” (lines 43-44)
ReplyDeleteIn this line, Fuller states that women, when brought up, are taught to learn their rule without, or to follow instead of finding their individuality from within. I believe that Fuller is stating that in order to transcend society's expectations, women need to learn to unfold their rule from within, and not from without. To find their individuality sooner in life instead of following others examples.
In the two quotes Fuller is describing the traits that women need to transcend society's expectations. The first quote is stating that women need to make their own choices, and not to be told how they are supposed to act. The second quote is saying that women are told to doubt themselves. They need to believe in themselves instead of listening to what others say about them.
ReplyDeleteThrough Fuller's description of Miranda, she was saying the traits a woman needed to transcend society's expectations was self-dependence. She states that regular women "are taught to learn their rule without, not to unfold it from within"(lines 43-44), this came from her upbringing, as she found her own independence with the support of here father who was a man for equal rights, while other women were taught what to do in society rather than to learn it from within. She puts emphasis on the fact that society oppresses these views on women, which makes them "so overloaded with precepts by guardians... that their minds are impeded by doubts till they lose their chance of fair free proportions." (lines 50-53) This explains that society pushes their role on them until they believe it instead of learning their own true role from within. In general, self dependence is the trait women need to transcend society's expectations, but because society pushes the roles on them, they do not naturally develop self-respect, and learn self-help.
ReplyDeleteDetailed response, Braedin!
DeleteThese quotes are saying that women need to rule from within (themselves) and are so stuck being in control that they do not even really know what is wrong. Women need to stop listening to what other people say and stop being controlled by men. All some women know is to be under control and that's not how it should be.
ReplyDeleteAccording to quote A, women need to follow the rules that they think should be followed according to what they see in the world, as opposed to doing what others tell them they should based on their womanhood. In quote B, Fuller is saying that Miranda is different from other woman in that other women were brought up to doubt themselves and who they really are because their guardians have brought them up telling them that they need to be a certain way because they are women. In both examples, Fuller is saying that in order to transcend society’s expectations, women need to do what they feel is right instead of what others tell them they should do.
ReplyDeleteIn these quotes, Fuller is saying that women need to be confident and comfortable with themselves in the second quote, and find their true nature and strength from themselves. I think she is also hinting at the independent spirit of Transcendentalists. In the second quote, she describes how others force themselves on women, try and fit them into a generic mold, when women should not doubt themselves and become a unique human being, apart from the gender norms and kick some sexist butt!
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DeleteFuller describes Miranda as a role model for Transcendentalist women. In the first quote, Miranda describes the way women were taught to behave. According to her, women were taught by everyone else how to act, instead of letting it come from the inside. This is an example of the conformity of that era. In the second quote also describes society's pressure on women. Women were overloaded with what their guardians said that they might have doubted their own thoughts.
ReplyDeleteMargaret fuller was a woman in the Transcendentalist era who believed in women rights and had similar ides to Thoreau and Emerson. She believed that women were looked down and weren't treated fairly. In the first quote fuller is talking on how women are taught to learn rules, and not make their own choices. The second quote is about how women should be more confident in themselves and not to listen to other peoples criticism. As women we must not cave in to others expectations(men/society) and trust ourselves and be more confident in the decisions that we make.
ReplyDeletein the quotes she is saying that women need to have those traits to go above the expectations of society. Fuller is saying that women need to make their own choices, and not to conform to the rules that are set for women. Fuller is also saying that women doubt themselves because that is what men taught them to do over time.
ReplyDeleteGiorgia Sasso I think that Margaret Fuller was saying that the women of her era were educated since they were young to respect and do what their guardians were saying and to not complain about that as they were not thinking living that once they had the occasion to start thinking on their own and to independent they just didn't know how to do.
ReplyDeleteThe girls were trained to be condescending that they couldn't find out how to live in themselves and in their personal belief.
Miranda was educated by her dad as a thinking individual, she was firmly sure that women have the potential to be equal to men and that if they would have the possibility to learn how to be judicious and how to live from themselves they would be actually equal.
According to Fuller through her 'interview' with Miranda there is one basic element a women needs to exceed past the stereotypes of the female in that time period. The factor in name is that women need to practice being an individual. As quote A mentions, women are told not to examine their existence (unfold it from within) but rather to live their lives without freedoms available to others. Quote B illustrates this same concept in that women need to become independent to defy the oppressive beliefs of male superiority as their 'guardians' from which they force it upon them to make it so "...their minds are impeded by doubts" (lines 50-52) Therefore the only necessity needed by women to become 'more' in their society is to simply be independent from all those who try to conform them.
ReplyDeleteIn these two quotes Fuller is saying that women have the freedom to make their own choices but keep some of their basic traits, Also she is saying that women need to think more highly of themselves to become a transcendentalist.
ReplyDeleteFuller thinks that women are taught to be submissive and obey their "guardians" (men) that don't let them grow as people. For that reason, the traits that women need to transcend society expectations are "to unfold the rule from within", which means that women have to understand the rules and use their heads to decide for themselves, and to obliterate the precepts that men impose, for being able to clean the doubts in their minds.
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ReplyDeleteFuller is saying that women need to think by themselves.
In the first quote, she explain that women can make their own decisions, and not to always do only what others told them to do.
In the second quote, it said that because of others people telling women how to act, they don't trust in themselves, but they have to trust in themselves.
Fuller states an argument in this essay that women, as an individual group, have the capability to be equal to man on an intellectual and social level. However, the society she lives in portrays women in such a way that would see them as lesser than men. To combat this, Fuller outlines traits needed to transcend (similar to the idea of overall human transcendentalism) the common ideals associated with women in order to prove them false. In this first quote, Fuller relays how women are taught to be who they are from outside influences, which would place them within the ideals of what society thinks the ideal women should be. Fuller calls to this as it deeply flawed and squanders any chance of female self-growth and self-expression. In the second quote, which is similar to the first, displays the concept of a woman's guardian's, whoever they may be, applying precepts into young women's lives and in turn causing them to doubt any ideas of their own about who they want to be. During this time, it was de facto that men were allowed to become whatever they wanted - even blacks. Inversely, it was de facto for women to fill a cookie-cutter template of what society thought they should be, killing any aspirations they might have. Fuller is calling attention to this idea and pointing out that it is wrong and must be transcended in order for women to achieve their full potential.
ReplyDeleteDetailed response, Connor.
Deletethe first quote: women need to do what they are told to do, not what they think they should do. The second quote: women grow up never being confident in themselves. they let others tell them how they should act.
ReplyDeleteFuller’s idea is that each individual is born equally, each unique and allowed to have the right to their own life, as a concern for socialization, from self-determination that it can enable a woman to develop personal strength; independence of herself.
ReplyDeleteFuller believes that she is different to the rest of the women because she is self dependent and other women just do what they were told to do. "This self dependence, which was honored in me, is deprecated as a fault in most women. They are told to learn their rule from without, not to unfold it from within." In this quote, Fuller says how some people think that self dependence is woman is not good. She thinks that a woman should be self-sufficient and should make their own decisions without following any rule that someone told her to follow.
ReplyDeleteFuller thinks that the reason why women are not as self dependent as they should be is because of the men. "This is the fault of man, who is still vain, and wishes to be more important to woman than, he should be." In this quote, she says that men make woman think that they need them although is not true. Men want to feel powerful and that's why they make women reliant on men.
First quote (lines 42, 43, 44)
ReplyDeleteSecond quote (lines 45, 46)